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switched on. The driver is always responsible
for assessing the traffic situation.
@ Tips
— The traffic signs on the road always take pri-
ority over the display. The driver is always
responsible for adhering to the regulations
applicable in the country where the vehicle
is being operated.
— When a route is planned using the naviga-
tion system*, then system displays messag-
es based on an assumed route. Without
route guidance, the system displays mes-
sages based on an assumed route.
— The wording of the message may vary de-
pending on the selected Audi drive select*
mode and the selected gear.
Audi adaptive cruise
control
General information
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
Depending on vehicle equipment, Audi adaptive
cruise control may consist of the following func-
tions:
Within the limits of the system, the adaptive
speed and distance control assists the driver in
controlling the speed and the set distance to the
vehicle driving ahead. If the system detects a ve-
hicle driving ahead, the adaptive cruise control
can brake and accelerate your vehicle within the
limits of the system. On open roads with no traf-
fic, it functions like a cruise control system. The
stored speed is maintained. When approaching a
vehicle driving ahead, the adaptive cruise control
system automatically brakes to match that vehi-
cle's speed and then maintains the set distance
as much as possible. As soon as the system does
not detect a vehicle driving ahead, adaptive
cruise control accelerates up to the stored speed.
In stop-and-go traffic, the vehicle may brake to a
full stop and then may also start driving again
automatically under certain conditions.
Applies to: vehicles with traffic jam assist: In
traffic jams or in stop-and-go traffic, the traffic
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jam assist can assist the driver to stay within the
lane detected by the system > page 162.
Applies to: vehicles with efficiency assist: Predic-
tive control can adjust the set speed based on
traffic and road conditions > page 157.
Z\ WARNING
Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
@) Tips
The system complies with United States FCC
regulations and ISED regulations > page 311.
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
Fig. 117 Example: driving into a curve
In some situations, the adaptive cruise control
function is limited and you must assume control
of the vehicle when necessary, for example by ap-
plying the brakes.
— When driving into a curve > fig. 117 and out of
a curve, the system may react to a vehicle in the
neighboring lane and apply the brakes. You can
override the system by pressing the accelerator
pedal briefly.
— The system works with the various sensors and
cameras in the vehicle. Vehicles can only be de-
tected once they are within the area and range
covered by the sensors > page 142, fig. 110.
— When driving around tight curves, a vehicle
driving ahead that was previously detected may
no longer be detected, and the system may ac-
celerate unexpectedly.
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ZA\ WARNING
Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
Operating Audi adaptive cruise control
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
RAZ-0096
B4M-0232
Fig. 121 Operating lever: changing the speed
Switching on
> To switch on the adaptive cruise control, pull
the lever up to position @ until it engages.
Storing the speed and activating regulation
If you have switched the system on, you can set
the current speed as the “regulated speed” and
activate regulation:
> Press the [SET] button (2). The set speed is indi-
cated with a marking in the speedometer (@)
=> page 155, fig. 118 and shown in the instru-
ment cluster > A\.
> To save the speed while the vehicle is station-
ary, also hold the brake pedal down.
D_ Analog instrument cluster: 20 mph (30 km/h)
2) Depends on the country and engine
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You can set any speed between 15 mph
(20 km/h)» and the maximum possible speed
range @)?) > page 155, fig. 118.
Pausing cruise control
The control can be stopped at any time:
> While driving or when the vehicle is stationary:
Press the lever away from you in the direction
of the arrow. Or
» While driving: Press the brake pedal.
The Ba indicator light turns off.
Resuming regulation
The previously set speed can be resumed at any
time after a pause.
> To resume cruise control while driving, pull the
lever toward you in the direction of the arrow.
> To resume cruise control when stationary, pull
the lever toward you in the direction of the ar-
row while pressing the brake pedal.
Changing the speed
> To increase or decrease the set speed in smaller
increments, briefly tap the lever toward G) or
© to the first level.
> To increase or decrease the set speed in larger
increments, briefly tap the lever toward () or
© to the second level.
> To increase or decrease the set speed quickly,
hold the lever toward @) or () until the mark-
ing in the speedometer @) > page 155, fig. 118
has reached the desired speed.
Applies to: vehicles with efficiency assist: Predic-
tive control can automatically adjust the set
speed based on traffic and road condi-
tions > page 157.
Preselecting a speed
You can also preselect the speed when adaptive
cruise control is not active by moving the lever in
the desired direction @)/@). Activate the previ-
ously selected speed by pulling the lever toward
you in the direction of the arrow.
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Messages
If and a message with Predictive control is
displayed when there is a malfunction, the effi-
ciency assist functions are unavailable or limited.
A message that indicates the cause and possible
solution may appear with some displays. The
weather conditions may be too poor or a sensor
may be covered. Clean the area in front of the
sensors > page 143 and try to turn on the sys-
tems again later.
If the malfunction remains, drive to an author-
ized Audi dealer or authorized Audi Service Facili-
ty immediately to have the malfunction correct-
ed.
ZA WARNING
— Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
— Pay attention to traffic and the area around
your vehicle when predictive control is
switched on. The driver is always responsible
for assessing the traffic situation.
— The system does not consider “right of way”
rules and does not respond to traffic lights,
so lack of driver attention in these situations
can increase the risk of an accident.
— The speed when driving through curves may
be different from what you as a driver would
do or may not be suitable for the weather
and road conditions. If necessary, apply the
brakes and reduce the selected speed to be
maintained in the Adjustment to curves
along route setting to reduce the risk of an
accident.
@ Tips
— Predictive control can exceed or drop below
the maximum permitted speed. The driver
is responsible for adhering to the permitted
speed limit.
— The traffic signs on the road always take pri-
ority over the display. The driver is always
responsible for adhering to the regulations
D_ In certain countries
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applicable in the country where the vehicle
is being operated.
— Ifa speed limit is detected, the marking @
= page 155 of the set speed limit will be ad-
justed even if Audi adaptive cruise control is
not actively regulating.
— Control by the system depends on which
adaptive cruise control driving program is
set or on the selected Audi drive select*
mode.
— After switching on the ignition and first
driving onto a freeway or similar road with-
out a speed limit, the system will regulate
the speed to 80 mph (130 km/h). Then
the system adjusts to the last speed set by
the driver.
— There is no adaptation to speed limits when
driving through highway interchanges and
when driving on or off the expressway.
— The system can fail to provide control or the
control may be faulty if the values from the
camera-based traffic sign recognition* are
incorrect or the navigation system map data
is outdated.
— When route guidance is switched on, the
system adapts to the route provided by the
navigation system. Driving without route
guidance or leaving a route can result in
faulty control.
Setting the distance
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
B4M-0234
Fig. 122 Operating lever: setting the distance
If you adjust the speed, you must also change the
time gap to the vehicle driving ahead. The higher >
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the speed, the greater the distance that is need-
ed.
> Tap the rocker switch to display the distance
that is currently set.
> To increase or decrease the distance in incre-
ments, tap the switch again toward @) or ().
The newly-set distance will be shown briefly, for
example with the [eg indicator light. In the Driv-
er assistance display, a graphic display is shown
instead of the indicator lights > page 155,
fig. 119. The display matches the functions of
the indicator lights.
When approaching a vehicle driving ahead, the
adaptive cruise control system brakes to match
that vehicle's speed and then adjusts to the set
distance. If the vehicle driving ahead accelerates,
then the adaptive cruise control will accelerate
up to the speed that you have set.
The following distances can be set:
Sym-
bol
Meaning
The time between is approximately 2.4
seconds. This setting corresponds toa
distance of approximately 219 ft
(100 m) when traveling at 62 mph
(67 m/h).
The time between is approximately 3.6
seconds. This setting corresponds toa
distance of approximately 328 ft
(100 m) when traveling at 62 mph (100
km/h).
D
1D
Z\ WARNING
Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
Meaning
The time between is approximately 1
second. This setting corresponds toa
distance of approximately 92 ft
(100 m) when traveling at 62 mph
(28 m/h).
The time between is approximately 1.3
seconds. This setting corresponds toa
distance of approximately 118 ft
(100 m) when traveling at 62 mph
(36 m/h).
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The time between is approximately 1.8
seconds. This setting meets the general
recommendation of “half the speed
shown on the speedometer”. This cor-
responds to a distance of approximate-
ly 164 feet (SO m) when traveling at
62 mph (100 km/h).
(i) Tips
— When setting the distance, the driver is re-
sponsible for adhering to any applicable le-
gal regulations.
— Depending on the selected driving program
and distance, driving behavior when acceler-
ating may vary from moderate to sporty
=> page 161, Adjusting adaptive cruise con-
trol.
— The distances provided are specified values.
Depending on the driving situation and how
the vehicle ahead is driving, the actual dis-
tance may be more or less than these target
distances.
Overriding control
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
[RAZ-0096
Fig. 123 Operating lever: decreasing the distance
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This may also occur in some situations when
there is no apparent obstacle.
> Press the brake pedal to slow your vehicle
down.
ZA WARNING
— Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
— If the message B& ready to drive!) appears,
your vehicle will start driving even if there is
an obstacle between your vehicle and the ve-
hicle ahead. To reduce the risk of an acci-
dent, always make sure there are no obsta-
cles between your vehicle and the vehicle
driving ahead.
@ Tips
For safety reasons, the adaptive cruise control
will only be active if
—The driver's safety belt is fastened
— All doors and the hood are closed
— Your vehicle is not stopped for a long period
of time
Driver intervention request
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
al 3 3
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Fig. 125 Instrument cluster: request for driver interven-
tion
The request for driver intervention instructs you
to take over if the adaptive cruise control braking
function is not able to maintain a sufficient dis-
tance to the vehicle driving ahead. The system
will warn you of the hazard with the A indicator
light and the message Distance!. An audio signal
will also sound.
D_ This is not available in some countries.
The display @ only appears when the Driver as-
sistance display is open in the on-board comput-
er > page 17.
ZA WARNING
Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
Adjusting adaptive cruise control
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
You can adjust the system individually. The set-
tings depend on the vehicle equipment.
> Applies to: MMI: Select on the home screen:
VEHICLE > Driver assistance > Audi adaptive
cruise control.
Possible settings:
Applies to: vehicles without Audi drive select
Driving program - Depending on the selected
driving program and distance, the vehicle han-
dling will be adjusted from Sport to Moderate.
Applies to: vehicles with Audi drive select
Vehicle handling will be adjusted based on the
set distance and the selected Audi drive select
mode > page 115.
Store last distance - The last distance that was
set will be stored after the ignition is switched
off. If the distance is not stored, distance B
(time distance of approximately 1.8 seconds) is
automatically preset every time the ignition is
switched on.
Predictive control > Set speed limit - adaptation
to speed limits can be switched On or Off. Regu-
lation With tolerance can also be selected, if de-
sired. In this scenario, you may fall below or ex-
ceed the set speed in favor of increased efficien-
cy.
Predictive control > Adjustment to curves along
route - Adjustment based on the road ahead can
be adjusted. The setting influences vehicle
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handling with predictive control, for example the
speed for driving through curves.
@) Tips
Certain settings are automatically stored and
assigned to the remote control key being
used.
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
If or is displayed when there is a mal-
function, the adaptive cruise control or traffic
jam assist functions may be unavailable or may
be limited.
A message that indicates the cause and possible
solution may appear with some displays. The
weather conditions may be too poor or a sensor
may be covered. Clean the area in front of the
sensors > page 143 and try to turn on the sys-
tems again later.
If the malfunction remains, drive to an author-
ized Audi dealer or authorized Audi Service Facili-
ty immediately to have the malfunction correct-
ed.
Please take over!
This message appears if the vehicle rolls back
when starting on a slight incline, even though the
systems are active. Press the brake pedal to pre-
vent the vehicle from rolling or starting to move.
Traffic jam assist
Applies to: vehicles with traffic jam assist
B8V-0692
Fig. 126 Turn signal lever: button for traffic jam assist and
Audi active lane assist
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Traffic jam assist supports the driver when driv-
ing in traffic jams or in heavy traffic.
In a speed range under 40 mph (65 km/h), the
system can help to keep the vehicle within a lane
calculated by the system. Within the limits of the
system, the system controls the steering auto-
matically when adaptive cruise control is switch-
ed on. Since traffic jam assist is only an assist
system, the driver must always keep his or her
hands on the steering wheel and be ready to
steer. The driver can override the control at any
time by actively steering.
The system is designed for driving on express-
ways and highways.
Requirements for using traffic jam assist:
> The traffic jam assist is preselected in the MMI
settings: Select on the home screen: VEHICLE >
Driver assistance > Traffic jam assist.
> Adaptive cruise control must be switched on
and active > page 156.
If you open the Driver assist display in the on-
board computer = page 17, the indicator
light and the message Traffic jam assist will turn
on when a traffic jam is detected.
Activating or deactivating traffic jam assist
> To activate or deactivate traffic jam assist,
press the > fig. 126 button.
Always switch off traffic jam assist in the
following situations:
— When increased attention is needed from the
driver
— In construction zones
— In city driving
— On stretches of road with curves
—In unclear traffic situations such as at intersec-
tions or toll stations
— The turn signal was activated.
Indicator lights
Traffic jam assist is available.
B and B - Traffic jam assist is switched on.
Vehicles driving ahead were detected. Your vehi-
cle adapts while driving.
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Applies to: vehicles with distance warning
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Applies to: vehicles with adaptive cruise control:
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Applies to: vehicles with distance warning
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Distance warning
Applies to: vehicles with distance warning
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Applies to: vehicles with adaptive cruise control:
Fig. 127 Instrument cluster: display of the current dis-
tance
RAZ-0400
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
Fig. 128 Instrument cluster: distance warning
General information
At speeds above approximately 40 mph (65
km/h), this function measures the distance to the
vehicle ahead as time. If the distance falls below
the warning threshold and remains there, the
system will warn you of the hazard with the &
indicator light.
Image in the Driver assistance display
Applies to: vehicles with Audi adaptive cruise control
The display only appears if the Driver assistance
display is selected in the on-board computer
= page 17 and the adaptive cruise control is not
actively controlling the vehicle.
@ Detected vehicle driving ahead
@ Use the markings to help you estimate the
distance to an obstacle. Each marking repre-
sents approximately one second.
@® Set warning threshold. Depending on the set-
tings, the display will be colored in from the
bottom to the top.
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@ The actual distance is smaller than the set
distance and you will be informed about the
danger.
Adjusting the distance warning
The system can be switched off or on in the MMI
and you can customize the distance warning
threshold. The settings depend on the vehicle
equipment.
— Applies to: MMI: Select on the home screen:
VEHICLE > Driver assistance > Distance warn-
ing.
Messages
1f Bo is displayed when there is a malfunc-
tion, the distance warning functions may be un-
available or may be limited.
A message that indicates the cause and possible
solution
may appear with some displays. The
weather conditions may be too poor or a sensor
may be covered. Clean the area in front of the
sensors > page 143 and try to turn the system on
again later.
If the malfunction remains, drive to an author-
ized Audi dealer or authorized Audi Service Facili-
ty immediately to have the malfunction correct-
ed.
ZA\ WARNING
Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
Gi) Tips
— The driver is always responsible for adhering
to the regulations applicable in the country
where the vehicle is being operated.
— You may fall below the warning threshold
briefly when passing or when quickly ap-
proaching a vehicle driving ahead. There is
no warning in this scenario. A warning is giv-
en only if you fall below the warning thresh-
old for an extended period of time.
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— Visibility is obstructed by a rise or dip.
Steering intervention request
If the active lane assist intervenes multiple times
when no steering activity is detected, the steer-
ing intervention request will provide a warning
using audio and visual signals, such as EE. Take
over the steering and keep your hands on the
steering wheel so that you will be ready to steer
at any time. The system may no longer be ready
to provide warnings after a short time, and it will
only become active again later.
If the driver does not take over steering, active
lane assist will be switched off.
Behavior when a turn signal is active
Applies to: vehicles with side assist: The system
will not warn you if you activate a turn signal be-
fore crossing the lane marker line. In this case, it
assumes that you are changing lanes intentional-
ly.
Applies to: vehicles with side assist: If the turn
signal is activated, lane assist is ready, and a lane
change has been classified as critical by lane as-
sist due to vehicles traveling beside you or due to
approaching vehicles, then a noticeable correc-
tive steering movement will occur briefly before
exiting the lane. This will attempt to keep your
vehicle in the lane.
Z\ WARNING
— Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
— The system warns the driver that the vehicle
is leaving the lane using corrective steering.
The driver is always responsible for keeping
the vehicle within the lane.
— Corrective steering may not occur at all in
certain situations, such as during heavy
braking. Always be ready to intervene.
@) Tips
— Always keep your hands on the steering
wheel so you can be ready to steer at any
time. The driver is always responsible for
adhering to the regulations applicable in
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the country where the vehicle is being oper-
ated.
— The system does not provide any corrective
steering or steering wheel vibrations if it de-
tects that you are passing another vehicle.
— The image in the Driver assistance display
only appears if it was opened in the on-
board computer > page 17.
See moll
Applies to: vehicles with Audi active lane assist
B8V-0692
Fig. 130 Turn signal lever: button for Audi active lane as-
sist
> To switch the system on or off, press the button
on the turn signal lever > fig. 130. The respec-
tive indicator light in the instrument cluster
will turn off or on.
Z\ WARNING
Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
Adjusting Audi active lane assist
Applies to: vehicles with Audi active lane assist
You can adjust active lane assist individually. The
settings depend on the vehicle equipment.
» Applies to: MMI: Select on the home screen:
VEHICLE > Driver assistance. > Audi active
lane assist/Lane departure warning.
Possible settings:
— Steering correction - In the Late setting, the
steering correction will only occur shortly be-
fore a wheel crosses a detected lane marker
line. In the Early setting, steering correction >
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occurs continuously in order to help the driver
keep the vehicle in the center of the lane. If the
steering correction cannot be set, the steering
correction will function in the Late setting.
— Vibration warning - You can select if you would
also like to be warned using a vibration in the
steering wheel.
@) Tips
Certain settings are automatically stored and
assigned to the remote control key being
used.
Applies to: vehicles with Audi active lane assist
iri or is displayed when there is a malfunc-
tion, the active lane assist functions may be un-
available or limited.
A message that indicates the cause and possible
solution may appear with some displays. The
weather conditions may be too poor or the cam-
era may be covered. Clean the area in front of the
camera > page 143 and try to turn on the sys-
tems again later.
If the malfunction remains, drive to an author-
ized Audi dealer or authorized Audi Service Facili-
ty immediately to have the malfunction correct-
ed.
Audi pre sense
Introduction
Applies to: vehicles with Audi pre sense
Within the limits of the system, the Audi pre
sense functions can initiate measures in certain
driving situations to protect the vehicle occu-
pants and other road users. Depending on the ve-
hicle equipment, various Audi pre sense systems
may
be installed:
— Audi pre sense basic can react during emergen-
cy and dangerous braking maneuvers and un-
stable driving situations (such as oversteering
or understeering).
— Audi pre sense city and Audi pre sense front
can detect an impending frontal impact and re-
act with warnings, braking interventions, and
preemptive safety measures for the vehicle oc-
cupants.
— Audi pre sense rear monitors the rear traffic
behind your vehicle and can react to an impend-
ing rear impact.
— The swerve assist can help you to steer the ve-
hicle around an obstacle during an evasive ma-
neuver that is detected as critical.
— The turn assist can detect vehicles in the oppo-
site lane as critical during a turning maneuver
and react with braking maneuvers.
PNM eA ELT)
Applies to: vehicles with Audi pre sense
Depending on the vehicle speed and the vehicle
equipment, the following functions may be initi-
ated in certain situations:
— Visual and audio warnings
— Reversible tensioning of safety belts
— Closing the windows and panoramic glass roof
— Adjusting the seats
— Other preemptive safety measures by individual
systems
Z\ WARNING
Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
@) Tips
— Depending on the risk situation that is de-
tected and the selected Audi drive select*
mode, not all preemptive safety measures
may be initiated under certain circumstan-
ces. Certain functions can be adjusted or
skipped if necessary.
— Audi pre sense may be restricted or unavail-
able under certain circumstances, for exam-
ple if:
— There are passengers with unfastened
safety belts
— After turning on the ignition, as long as
the [BJ or indicator light is on.
— When driving in reverse
— The front passenger's airbag is switched
off
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— Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
— Swerve assist does not react to pedestrians,
animals, crossing objects, and objects not
detected as vehicles.
@) Tips
— System functions may not be available if the
ESC is limited or switched off, or if there is a
malfunction.
— An indicator in the instrument cluster will
inform you when there is an intervention.
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Applies to: vehicles with turn assist
When turning left), turn assist can help to re-
duce the risk of a collision with an oncoming ve-
hicle by using braking action to keep your vehicle
in its lane. The function is only available when
the turn signal is turned on and at speeds up to
approximately 6 mph (10 km/h).
ZA\ WARNING
— Observe the safety precautions and note the
limits of the assist systems, sensors, and
cameras > page 141.
— The turn assist does not react to pedes-
trians, animals, crossing objects, and ob-
jects
not detected as vehicles.
@ Tips
— System functions may not be available if the
ESC is limited or switched off, or if there is a
malfunction.
— An indicator in the instrument cluster will
inform you when there is an intervention.
2) When making a right turn in countries with left-hand drive
vehicles.
2) Incertain countries
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Adjusting Audi pre sense
Applies to: vehicles with Audi pre sense
You can switch Audi pre sense and the associated
systems on or off, or adjust them individually.
The adjustment options depend on the vehicle
equipment.
> Applies to MMI: Select on the home screen: VE-
HICLE > Driver assistance > Audi pre sense.
Setting the prewarning
You can adjust the warning time for the prewarn-
ing2) individually (Early/Medium/Late) or switch
the prewarning off.
Set the warning time for the early warning to
Early at first. If you feel that the prewarnings ap-
pear too early, then set the warning time to Me-
dium. The Late warning time should only be set
in special circumstances.
G) Tips
— If Audi pre sense is switched off, it switches
on again automatically once the ignition is
switched on again2).
— Switch Audi pre sense off when you are not
using public streets, when loading the vehi-
cle onto a vehicle carrier, train, ship, or oth-
er type of transportation, or when towing
the vehicle. This can help to prevent an un-
desired intervention from the Audi pre
sense system.
— Certain settings are automatically stored
and assigned to the remote control key be-
ing used.
Messages
Applies to: vehicles with Audi pre sense
rs or is displayed when there is a malfunc-
tion, the Audi pre sense functions may be un-
available or may be limited.
A message that indicates the cause and possible
solution
may appear with some displays. The
weather conditions may be too poor orasensor >